An ongoing court case in the Netherlands could upend discriminatory policing. Litigation Director at The Public Interest Litigation Project Jelle Klaas joins us to unfold a developing story.

Later, Israel Butler joins us discussing how to talk about ethnic profiling in a way that changes minds positively.

Host: Jonathan Day

Guests: Jelle Klaas, Litigation Director at The Public Interest Litigation Project & Israel Butler, Head of Advocacy

Previously on speechbag: VaxPass & Myth-busting